Fair Play and Night Cup #3
As far as I understand Kuba, the condition of mandatory functioning of sv_pure 1 on the cup servers is optional. That is, there is a potential danger (and quite obvious) of using fraud in the game. After all, there is no certainty that absolutely everyone will play on clients without a single modification. This is very sad in terms of compliance with a really Clean Game. I was thinking about participating in this Cup, but now I see that this is unlikely. Because this way of carrying out motivates me a little: to take part in a competition, where there are no guarantees that you play with honest players, to waste your time and efforts to end up losing because of another cheater (or to win thanks to him ), while knowing in advance that they will be there (I am sure of it). And who will be the winner? - the one who simply can best use the modified pk3-files? Say, I already blame someone in advance? - No, I say only that no one can be sure of the purity of the players with this format of determining the best.
At the same time, your Cup is your Cup, Kuba. It is you who determine the format, the rules, and, ultimately, the one who plays the best for all the conditions you set. That is what I want to say: this Cup determines Who is the best in the format of all games for one day, with protection against dishonest advantage, determined solely by screenshots (AC) and not always noticeable use of bugs / scripts. Where screenshots can fix a visual advantage when using third-party cheat files, and the use of modified pk3 files can only be partially detected. At the moment, there is only one working solution in the game which satisfies the Fair Game as much as possible: using AC + sv_pure 1 + anti-bug server files. Yes, unfortunately, even with this, there is no absolute guarantee that someone does not use deception, but that’s all we can do. So yours, Kuba, these incomplete rules seriously upset me.
You create a one-night competition: with a high intensity of games, with a quick determination of the winner, without undue delay, attracting a large number of people. Everything is easy, fast, and spectacular. But! At the same time, you neglect some of the rules necessary for a clean game. Yes, in life it is always like this: nothing is absolutely perfect: if you add somewhere, somewhere it is necessarily reduced. Variants that satisfy everyone and everything does not exist. (Hello, Pablo!) But, since the choice is deliberate, we must understand that it is more important for us, what is the main goal, than we are ready to sacrifice. The balance is also important - this is the maximum adjustment for the realization of a given goal: how to achieve the most acceptable execution of the main idea with the least loss. For me personally, a clean game is most important, more important than a large number of participants, the speed of the competition, the presence of certain players in the competition, the number of likes on the forum. It is enough to create normal rules and conditions for this, and if someone cannot follow them, it means that he is either a cheater, or simply not particularly interested in participating. That's all, everything is simple.
So for me, all these NIght Cups is a frivolous competition: after all, the Cup should be more than just the next FW.
And this kind of competition, like you, Kuba, cause me great doubts about "#MakeCodGreatAgain". Make Great for whom, for cheaters and for those who believe them (or who simply do not care)? What, everyone is confident in everyone, and there are only stupid kids that they do not know how to hide their aimbot-wallhack, and all the others are crystal clear? Or should we be afraid that there will be fewer people in CoD 1.1 since the cheaters will leave the game and have no one to play with, just like with the noobs and the remaining handful of normal players? Making myself dependent on cheaters and their behavior is not what I want for myself, for example. For me, it is. As for you, Kuba, and for the rest, I hope to see in the comments.
It is particularly unpleasant to realize that the other players agree on this format of the Cup. Personally, I did not see anyone on the forum (Topics of previous Cups, separate topics) of interest in holding competitions based on the rules guaranteeing the observance of a clean play. Do people have any concern that they will play against cheaters? Or are they sure that all players are clean? What is it: laziness, fear, inability, indifference to raise these problems? Or is it simply not a problem for them: are they confident enough that they can play well and win without any cheating against any opponent? Well, and naturally, another option: they are cheaters, and simply do not think to raise relevant topics, they are not interested. And besides, after talking about a clean game for themselves, there may be questions about this.
Let's say for me there is not much point in organizing competitions if no one is interested in a fair game (which, basically, I see at the present time). So it is better not to organize anything than to do something anyhow, as long as it is, without worrying about the main thing: getting pleasure from the game, from victories, from teamwork, all sorts of fun, learning something new, trying to play with different maps, types of games. And this in turn depends on honesty, openness, mutual understanding and respect for each other. Without this, all desire and interest in the game disappears.
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I kinda agree with u if the community dealt with this situation like this, these playees who quit because of cheaters might be back and they wouldn't even have gone, maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit cuz there always will be cheaters esp. in public, but in terms of fws that would be gr8 with the integration of ac and demos, although I don't know much about these stuffs, but I think pure client files in private matches (regular funwars or cup matches) shouldn't be difficult and time-consuming, couple of pk3 files for rcontools and maps aren't a big deal, u can save a dedicated copy of the game for that reason, am i mistaken?
For me, there is no mistake, Hythm. Even despite the fact that you, as you yourself honestly put it, do not really understand these things, you quite correctly understood the essence of this topic. I will say more: even if a person does not know something, or does not know fully, but at the same time he is driven by good intentions and he has the ability to reason adequately, then in most cases he will be right about his judgments, regardless of subject!
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Adiii, you are more than welcome to set, prepare and configure servers for NightCup, just make it correctly. I'm sure Kuba would love to use them in NightCup
Thank you for the offer, but it is beyond the scope of this topic; moreover, my attitude to such Cups is clearly and in detail indicated in the topic.
Conclusion, expressed in 2 questions? Something new in logic It's cool that at least someone else remembers this post! By the way, I never received a single response from anyone to this post. Just as I do not see it now. Sad, but, thx for trying for reviving the topic
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Nice shitpost. As far as i know, the rules say that you have to use ac+demo, dunno about pure tho, but i guess that the majority of all servers run it anyway. Actually i can't see your point in posting such a mess of a text. (no offence)
You obviously did not read the topic, or did not understand absolutely nothing there. Just do not rush to write something without understanding or delving into the topic. Otherwise, you get such stupid-funny things like combining "Nice shitpost" and "(no offense)" in the same message!
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Then try to say what do you want to say in a way that is understandable,
This is not my fault, guys, if one of you cannot read and understand English, and I absolutely do not care for what reason: a low level of education, a ban on Google, a lack of understanding in principle how to read a foreign language, offense to the teachers in your school, a misunderstanding of what this forum is, or something else. Every time I try and write here, it’s most complete and open, and every normal person sees it perfectly, and if he doesn’t understand something, he is not behaving like you! I am not going to stoop to your moron level, to be closer to your understanding - I have no reason to do this for people like you.
and not like this pseudo educational writing, that you try to immitate.
Complete lie. I write the same way I think about it! If this seems to you to be something impossible, not fitting into your narrow ideas about the people around you, I will upset you: you have no idea about real life. I'm too old to imitate someone or something, and try to train untrained idiots like you, Sheep. You're just acting like a hurt child trying to appear like an adult, Sсhiepy. But this forum is for everyone! for all who are passionate about this game, regardless of age - not only for such young morons like you and your kind. Not my problem is that you do not know it! And not my problem, guys, if your stupid brain can only digest rotten fast food, and you think that you eat the most delicious delicacies.