is 500fps allowed?
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If people are strafing, bhop, and jumping to carentan roofs at wars, why can't we use 500 fps? How jumping to roofs makes this game equal, considering people who have 20-40 fps (not only me)? It's an advantage too and what? People are doing it. It's different kind of advantage, but this game is not equal anymore (not to mention, esp, wh etc.).
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@Hehu, I don't think Prash meant to question the skills that are needed to jump on the roofs at Carentan. I'm sure we all know this isn't an easy thing to achieve.
What I believe he meant is that you don't *just* need skills for that. You also need, and this is his point, a minimum amount of FPS (in this case, I suppose it is 333fps?). The skills alone won't get you there. Maybe you will understand his question better now.
@Fia, I believe they say it should be forbidden because FPS above a certain amount (I believe 400 or 500) make your footsteps silent. So you walk faster and a ton more quietly than players with lower FPS. (Please, let me know if I'm mistaken, I'm no expert).
Edit: Well, both Phyzix and Doktor were faster than me to reply
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Emy described my words even better than I would And huepfer sentence is a quintessence of my thinking. Although I won't limit anyone - they can play on 333, let's them play. But it'd be nice if the game would be equal at all areas.
This game is already unequal. Vifon asked about thing that makes this game even more unequal. Eliminate all inequalities connected with movement or let them all be present. Pick one.
It's generally accepted to not allow the using of a bug. As far as I know we see bugs as ingame possibilities unintended by the developers. I believe that the added benefit of 1000fps roof floating, 500fps silent walking ar/pistol, 333fps strafing advantage, silent walking ar, 250fps strafing advantage, 125fps strafing advantage where never intended by the developers. Therefor using any of these advantages would be the using of a bug and be forbidden by the nobug rule.
However I believe changing fps through the console is allowed. By definition these rules need specification. Just the basic: 'nobugs', 'yesfpschange' isn't enough because the one cancels the other. I believe changing fps is always utilizing a bug, no matter what the number is. However who wants to buy a new PC and keep walking around with 90fps? Fun vs fair.
Unfortunately, there will always be unhappy players .
If things were solely, and exclusively, a question of skills, then it would be easier. As in "You can achieve this because you're good and/or you've trained, I can't do it but maybe if I trained, I could." Then it is fair and should be allowed.
But from the moment on when other aspects are also involved, like how performant your pc is, also related to how much you can afford (money for a pc), and so many more, it becomes impossible to define fair guidelines and rules for everyone.
I suppose at the end of the day, it is all about the server(s) on which you decide to play. Do they allow 500fps? Do they allow jumping on the roofs of Carentan? I personally wouldn't for my servers.
As for wars, those things should ideally be agreed on beforehands by the two clans.
I think this is the best we could do.
@Emy I did not mean that he was questioning skills. I was just pointing out an obvious fact. When we talk abour usage of different fps it is dependant on your setup or your habit. When you play with stable 333 and use a heavy weapon there's also an option of making no sound while walking. On the other hand 500 stable is like a cheatcode for noobs or people who want to have it easy ("because when I did not have such a good PC they were using 500fps so now I will use it to show them!" - that's the logic of most people using 500fps in a nutshell. On the other hand jumping, strafing, leaaning, timing, experience, all of those make you better player and you become better earning the experience and skill in general. I usually do not mind people playing with 500fps but if there would be a possibility to make a final decision I'd rather say: "Okay let's agree to stable 333 (you can walk without sound when it's stable anyway) but not to 500 because it's just abusing whatever fps you have and somebody does not. I like it when people complain about fps and say "Oh cmon you killed me you have 333 stable shit fps player" - that's when I laugh the most. Surprise I barely have 333 stable it even drops to 150, but I know how to use each fps and that is the difference. Even when I'm using 250 or 288 it might seem to some like 333. To sum up, I do not agree with prash because for me his way of thinking is wrong. If you trully want you can learn jumps and use a lot of stuff on maps with any fps you have. But you have to make an affort to learn it. If not go to work and get yourself money for a better PC if you can not handle it.
I think that for my fps I'm able to do many jumps, but bhops at brecourt are killing me. I'm not able to bhop with not stable 30 fps. Sorry. I'll never learn it And jumping at the roofs at carentan - I don't know it's not about the thing I can't jump there, I just don't find it fair to jump there at fw's. But in any other situation - sure.
And whats about omp? when u have 333fps with bar you run silently through map too.
And boosts? they are kinda bug too.
Dawnville banana duo boost/behind tank triple boost. If u are fast enough u can clean up grave and church easily while enemies only see ur head.
I'm not gonna write about prone... cuz omg shittiest kind of bug/glitch
@Hehu to quote prash:
"If people are strafing, bhop, and jumping to carentan roofs at wars, why can't we use 500 fps? How jumping to roofs makes this game equal, considering people who have 20-40 fps (not only me)?"
You can't reach the roof at Carentan on your own without 333fps (or 250 maybe?). Many people, like Prash will never reach higher then 125, and will never reach the Carentan roof on their own. By allowing people to use 333 fps, you are giving away an unfair advantage. They can reach places people like Prash can never reach. No matter how much they train their jumping skills, as Emy already explained.
"I usually do not mind people playing with 500fps but if there would be a possibility to make a final decision I'd rather say: "Okay let's agree to stable 333 (you can walk without sound when it's stable anyway) but not to 500 because it's just abusing whatever fps you have and somebody does not."
People with 333 fps will have an unfair advantage, as do people with 500 fps. I don't see the difference
It's like telling someone with a 144 hz screen to put it on 60 hz because they don't have it.
Grow up kiddo's, buy bitcoins right now and get rich super fast!!! U will have 1500 fps computer 100% guarranteed within 1 month!! Banks hate this method.
Oh yeah and also: go play cs go if you wan't to play a bug free game.
Better than this trash anyway :>
@Chiel its obvious that 125 333 500 and 1000 have an advantage on 60 fps
In my opinion 500 fps can be banned, personally i only use it when i want to play ninja and bash someone.
333 fps and roofjumping however need to stay. Every person with 333 can do them if they practised. But only a few people take the time to practise/master them so the roofs can be used as an advantage. In my opinion that's fair game. When you allow 333 fps you should accept the things that come with it.
For the people without 333 fps it sucks but to be fair, every one knows about roof jumping. It wouldn't be to hard to check the roofs once in a while. But if you dislike it, asking can go a long way. If some one asks me not to do roof jumps i would listen (as long as they don't have 333 fps)
@Arno, so ban 500 fps because you don't use it but allow 333 fps because it makes your jumping easier?
There is no difference between 500 fps or 333 fps, they both give an advantage over anyone who can't reach those numbers. That's the argument v1fon started the topic with, he never asked who preferred 333 fps over 500 fps. Naturally you and thegooge want to keep 333 fps because without it Carentan would be a lot more boring. I'm simply making the argument, I don't care if you guys go to the roof. I go to the roof, and I believe that is unfair to the low fps players.
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Basically what I'm saying is that 500 shouldn't be allowed to stay on topic
Off topic, many people use 333 fps. And in my opinion people who use 333 fps have nothing to complain about the roof jumping.
And like I said, low fps players only have to ask.
@emy every one knows going off map isn't allowed whereas, like it or not, roof jumping is.
Actually going out of the map is forbidden on certain harbor servers, not everywhere. There are no universal rules on this game besides the global:
- No wallhack/aimbot/esp
- No bug abuse
Individual server admin add their own interpretation on these two basic rules. Arno I feel like we're going circles but why is using 500 fps for silent steps more bug abuse then using 333 fps as boost for jumping? No one agreed that using 333 fps to boost jumping should be allowed. We just did it, and now people are bothered by it and I understand that.
@chiel of course you can, BUT you have to learn it and it's harder But hard does not mean impossible it's just an excuse for others to blame other's win on their fps.
I also agree with Arno, come on we even created a Jump Academy. Where and from whom (maybe except TheGoog but then again he's like an unofficial Jump'it member) do you think others learn how and where to jump?
@chiel Yes, ban 500 and allow 333 not because he uses one and does not use another or not because he can jump but does not like to use 500. The reason is usage of 333 requires skill - that is a fact - on the other hand usage of 500 requires just fps itself. The difference is huge.
Yes it is always easier wirh more possibilities. FPS is one of them. But to use 125, 250 or 333 properly you need to learn it. To use silent walking iwth 500 you just need fps itself. That's why I think up to 333 should be allowed because people who want to learn can do it one day. While everyone who can just click to have 500 well you just need an ability to click a button...
But to use 125, 250 or 333 properly you need to learn it. That's why I think up to 333 should be allowed because people who want to learn can do it one day. While everyone who can just click to have 500 well you just need an ability to click a button...
Jumping in this game requires almost no skill and everyone can do it.
Show me just one person (the best would be a video of him of course) jumping at carentan roofs at 30 fps. Would like to see that. Just curious. For me 500 fps gives a big advantage, but it's clear that 333 gives advantages too and you can also walk silently with heavy weapons.
@Hehu good point. You can however argue that fast weapon switch requires skill as well, or fast nade, or out of the map in Harbor. Even if you need skill to benefit from a bug still makes it benefiting from a bug. Which you and your jumper friends do, and which bothers people who can't benefit from the same bug.
The problem is the half can not because they lack the skill to jump (not fps...)
I myself am not a fan of the jumper, but I can do it, only I need many attempts
(But I do not enjoy jumping around on the rooftops)
You can argue about many things, but everyone has too good a pc to reach 333 fps
No fuss, just do not use 500 fps and everything is fine
I rarely agree with doctor but that is how it is. My 333 is never stable or if it is the server is empty. For the whole time I've been playing I had same amount of fps. Yet only recently (past year or 1.5 of a year) I've been able to use the fps I have. Most people are too lazy ot try and to learn that's the point. Sure it gives you an advantage but it's the same as playing with / against laggers or people whose fps makes them hard to hit. It would be nice to play with same sets and see what the outcome would be but it's obvious it will be nearly the same as while we are all playing at home because of our habits。And I doubt that if we would give each player a PC where they can reach 500 fps they would learn jumping.. They would just find another point to argue about to have an excuse while they die because that's how people behave. Isn't quick ladder climbing also a bug? Learning on walls? Some noobs might call being skilled is a bug because through experience you gain something they will never had and even if they play a lot they can never reach you. There are things like that which make games and playing interesting because then everyone has to figure out their own style and adjust to what he / she has.
For sure there are much more bugs in this game like leftleaning, cancle reload etc. wich every player does...
To make it fair we should make a list of all known bugs in the game and discuss if allowed or not.
But i think its just worthless.
Its really hard to discuss what u will allow or what not. But i think the best solution is to discuss before the war starts e.g. roofjumping is not allowed or 500 fps is not allowed.
and if someone abuses it he should make /kill when the next round starts.
Show me just one person (the best would be a video of him of course) jumping at carentan roofs at 30 fps.
hers a video of a guy doing it with 125. but its also doable with 30. Im speaking of the Part on sniperhouse roof
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500 is allowed in 1.1, bcs you don't get kicked for it.
If you want to play a real game without this shitty bugs like 1000 fps / fast scoping / no background sound / strafing / black bush / 333 fps / diffusesunsteps & quality and everything else I did miss, go over to CoD 1.5, there's a cvarlist there what will kick you for forbidden commands.
Overall makes it more DECENT and more FAIR game for everybody.
If people don't understand this point, start to read it again, still don't understand?
You might be retarted so FU
p.s. Emy is so hot omfg
wow your all still bitching over this shit.
its no longer 2003? where you was lucky to get 125 back then.
i remember playing with a 256mb graphics card and 2gb of ram on windows xp.
its 2018 with more advanced pc and ofc more fps. why over the more fps advantage?
just either pay and get a more up to date pc so yo ucan also have more fps or just change game,
crying over fps cos you obviously cant hit it yourself.
plus the 500fps not that great - yeah it stops footsteps but then you cant jump propperly.
333 you can jump nicely and also have the no footstep sounds by doing the bug.
just man up - quit crying and deal with it -
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Just play normal!
15 years are over. Your crying comes a few years too late!
125-333 fps and no 500 fps or 1000 fps
Hanging Those who still play with a pc where only 30 fps get stuck, people do not want it any different
doktor stop trolling us with your translation engine xd
On topic tho, there is no uniform system or reasoning on what is or what is not allowed, and no enforcing mechanism behind it either. It's fine this topic is opened but until the latter isn't available, discussion won't be fruitful at all. At best, talking about it can mostly result in some guidelines or consensus for future events which are held by the people within this small community and who contributed to this topic. Perhaps, after endless discussion and fighting, some values for certain commands could be locked, but that alone, will undoubtedly not be enough for a foolproof and clean game.
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